What is your opinion on feminists?

What is your opinion on feminists?

I AM one! Feminism is great; it's not actually about hating men, like some people think. We just want equality!
59.1%
13 votes
Most feminists nowadays only hate men. I'm not a feminist because I don't hate men. I prefer equality.
13.6%
3 votes
Ugh, I hate them! They're just a bunch of fat women who get triggered about everything!
4.5%
1 vote
Sexism doesn't even exist nowadays. Feminists just like finding things to complain about.
18.2%
4 votes
Feminists think all men are pigs. NOT ALL MEN! >:(
4.5%
1 vote
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Liltoot23
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on October 21
WaitForIt
I am a feminist, but I consider myself more of an egalitarian, simply because of how modern-day society has twisted the term to something negative.
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on October 19
NyoHoHo
There's a difference between feminism and misandry
I'm not a feminist because I have nothing to complain about as an American woman
But other women elsewhere suffer because they are women, so for that case, I'd be a feminist for THEM in a heartbeat

But in America?? Nah fam I'm good
I ain't got nothin' to complain about
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vive_la_revolution
I guess we live in very different parts of America but in America I am not good
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on October 19
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on October 19
Battle_Scars
I hate feminism and ill never like it
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Corbijn3andNolly
Proof that the misandrists have ruined everything to a point where everyone believes feminism to be synonymous with misandry
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Battle_Scars
Ok then keep trying then
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on October 22
Corbijn3andNolly
Of course we’ve had no success recently: the misandrists f⚠️cked us over!
However, if we speak of time as a whole, feminism had some successes, and it could be argued that women’s rights had led to African rights.
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on October 22
Battle_Scars
Your trying how long feminist been at this and yet they had no success
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on October 22
Corbijn3andNolly
That’s why we’re trying to make it fair, that’s our way of dealing with it
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on October 22
Battle_Scars
@Nyohoho what's your excuse then?
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on October 22
NyoHoHo
Wait, what? What kind of logic is that? If everyone used that as an excuse when things get too hard, we wouldn't be here
So no offense, but that reasoning isn't even stupid; it's completely idiotic.
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on October 22
Battle_Scars
You do realize no matter how hard you try you not gonna get what you want life isn't fair so you gotta keep ya head up and deal with it
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on October 22
Corbijn3andNolly
I complain about serious issues, again you mistake a feminist for a misandrist or vice versa
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on October 22
Battle_Scars
This is why you guys are cancer all you guys do is whine and complain about stupid shit
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on October 22
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on October 18
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on October 18
Corbijn3andNolly
I’m a true feminist, it’s a real shame that Misandrists disguised themselves as feminists and ruined our reputation.
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GalacticBiRavenclaw
Yeah. Nowadays, when I say "I'm a feminist" people automatically take that to mean "I hate men." Misandrists pretended to be feminists, and so a lot of people think that all feminists are misandrists. It sucks.
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on October 19
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
Hella feminist
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
Sexism still EXISTS, but not in first world countries. Women in first world countries are not oppressed. Women in many developing countries, however, are legitimately oppressed.
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vive_la_revolution
That depends on your definition of oppression, really
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vive_la_revolution
I've read this article. What I'm saying is that when you account for the women who leave for the lower paying/more flexible/etc jobs, there is still a wage disparity between men and women working the exact same thing.

As someone who has been catcalled, it is a big deal. Some people can brush it off - like you, apparently - but some can't, and that is not a testament See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
http://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/reassessing-the-gender-wage-gap

Cat-calling isn't sexual harassment. It's unrealistic to police it. Tax dollars should not be put into an issue that can be brushed off by the individual. As someone who has been cat-called multiple times, it's not that big of a deal.

And I'm not trying to accuse you of anything.
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
Maybe Canada is different, but in America as far as I know that's largely untrue. And catcalling is harassment.
That's a great question, and one that I cannot answer. Ask a more mature, experienced, influential feminist.
That's fair.
But... It hasn't been. I mean, I have no interest in sitting here and just spouting off opposing facts for the sake of it, but See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
Harassment IS ilegal, unless we're talking about cat-calling.
How do you plan on making justice systems more functional?
I cannot speak to your third point because I don't know as much about the American system.
The wage gap has been proved as a myth time and time again by male and female researchers.

I would also appreciate if you would stop using "um" as an See More▼
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
And socially, egalitarianism and feminism from what I understand are basically the same, I simply choose to use the term feminist because it is the most automatically recognizable (pretty much everyone will know what I'm talking about if I tell them I'm a feminist; not everyone knows the definition of "egalitarian" and the movement is not widespread; it's just See More▼
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
Um, no. Legally, I want street harassment to be illegal (like they're planning on attempting in France https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-41637723), I want a more functional justice system and support systems for victims of abuse (both male and female), I want all forms of birth control and abortion to be available to all women and covered by health insurance See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
What, specifically, do you hope to accomplish with the third wave feminism movement? From a legal sense, the fight is over. And if there's anything the movement can do socially that the egalitarian movement can't do socially, please explain that to me in detail.
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
Um, what did the abolitionists accomplish? The suffragettes? What has Malala accomplished? People don't respect illegal immigrants in the us - does that mean it's impossible for them to accomplish their goals? People in countries run by the Taliban don't respect women period - does that mean that the women there have no hope?
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
But what can the group possibly accomplish if it's disrespected?
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
The group itself has not lost its integrity - the perception of the group is no longer dignified. There's a difference. I, for one, do not give enough shits about the opinions of others to put huge effort into editing my language to keep them from rolling their eyes. The word has a definition that works for me and a large majority of followers who use that definition See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
But there are many misconceptions. Perhaps it's different in your environment as I can only speak for my own experiences. I used to label myself as a feminist and I was constantly greeted with groans. The movement has lost its' integrity. And the whole "intersectional feminism" has become a joke at this point.
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
@Euphoria Egalitarian is nowhere near as widespread of a term. I mean, I've got nothing against you using it, but there's also nothing wrong with using the label of feminism. Anyone who judges a group by the loud few is an idiotic asshole, regardless of whether they're judging Christians or feminists. So if someone wants to get all nitpicky with words when I See More▼
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
@GalacticBiRavenclaw Oh, damn.
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
Yes, but there are so many alternatives for the label of feminism. I, for one, and not a feminist. But I'm an egalitarian.
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
@GalacticBiRavenclaw Wait, really? I didn't know the female suicide attempt rate was higher. Can you source that?
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
It hasn't, really. The perception of the movement has. Which has actually happened to pretty much every feminist (or really social advocacy in general) group in history. I mean, in the civil war, people running the underground railroad would at times refuse to call themselves abolitionists or express reluctance to use the term because of radicals like John Booth See More▼
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on October 18
GalacticBiRavenclaw
1. False. https://www.bustle.com/p/the-countrys-first-shelter-for-male-domestic-violence-survivors-sheds-light-on-dangerous-misconceptions-about-abuse-66995 ; more will come in the future.
2. Yes, but females ATTEMPT suicide twice as often as males.
3. We actually do focus on bringing change to all women.
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
The issue is that it's NOT bringing change. It's making a mockery of itself at this point. Look at the Occupy Wallstreet movement. It had good ideals until it was ruined by the people involved. That's what's happening to feminism. Women calling oppression at men sitting with their legs too far apart and painting with their period blood isn't a noble movement. See More▼
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
That's true, and that's a problem that feminism aims to fix.
Yep. Again, a horrible, horrible thing.
Oh yeah, we absolutely are. But men are even more privileged to live in this society, and feminism is calling bullshit on that. And feminism is not just a first world movement - because of the expansive reach of the internet, the term is widely used even outside See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
Numerous shelters exist for women who are victims of assault and abuse, but no shelters exist for men.
And if we're bringing in statistics, 60% of suicide victims are male.
At the risk of sounding preachy, shouldn't feminists be more focused on bringing change to ALL women and not just women in first world countries? The thing with third wave feminism is that See More▼
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
That depends on the government. And you also have to consider that (although this varies depending on country) women are typically not protected from harassment or even abuse, and in many countries and/or states/provinces do not even have full autonomy. Also, your definition did not actually specify that oppression has to be governmental. So, unless you would See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
Not necessarily. There are no laws in place that are oppressing women in that situation. The feminism movement can't really help with people's opinions. From a legal standpoint, women actually have MORE RIGHTS than men. They are legally protected from genital mutilation. Men are not. And many men DO have their genitals mutilated at birth.
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on October 18
vive_la_revolution
Well by that definition I think that it's arguable that women in some parts of first world countries do experience oppression. I mean, I don't imagine it's as bad in more urban areas, but in the rural Bible belt where I live, it's considered deeply unusual and even immoral for a woman to keep her own last name, disobey/disrespect any male for any reason (including See More▼
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on October 18
Kaleidoscope
Oppression: Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

Women are not oppressed in first world countries. There are places where women are stoned to death if they are raped. THOSE places need feminism, developed countries do not.
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